Podcast // Michelle Grace Hunder
In this killer episode of the Luka Lesson Podcast, I sit down with Michelle Grace Hunder, one of Australia's most revered live music photographers. Michelle's work has earned her a place in the National Sound and Film Archive, with two separate portrait series showcasing her exceptional talent and impact on the Australian music scene.
We delve into what I describe as Michelle's 'ethnic work ethic', exploring how her Italian background has shaped her approach to her craft. Michelle shares insights into how her cultural heritage has instilled in her the ability to hustle, work hard, and work smart in the competitive music photography industry. This unique perspective adds depth to our understanding of her success and the dedication behind her impressive body of work.
Key points discussed in this episode:
Michelle's journey as a music photographer
Her acclaimed works 'RISE' and 'Her Sound, Her Story'
The impact of these projects on the Australian Hip-hop scene and broader music industry
My personal experience being featured in 'RISE'
Michelle's 'ethnic work ethic' and how her Italian background influences her career
The art of capturing live music performances
The importance of visual representation in the music industry
The challenges and rewards of music photography
Michelle's portrait series 'RISE' made significant waves in the Australian Hip-hop scene, and I'm honored to have been featured in this groundbreaking project. We discuss the process behind my portrait and the overall impact of 'RISE' on the hip-hop community. Her subsequent project, 'Her Sound, Her Story' (created in collaboration with Claudia Dalimore), had a broader impact on the music industry as a whole.
Throughout our conversation, Michelle shares insights into her creative process, the challenges of capturing the perfect shot in live music settings, and her passion for visual storytelling. We also touch on my personal experiences working with Michelle and how visual representation has influenced my own career.
As is tradition on the Luka Lesson Podcast, I close the episode with a performance of my spoken word poem 'Amber Lights', inspired by our discussion and reflecting on the themes of light, performance, and capturing moments in time.
This episode offers a unique glimpse into the world of music photography, the power of cultural heritage in shaping one's work ethic, and the impact of visual art in the music industry. Whether you're a music enthusiast, an aspiring photographer, or simply curious about the behind-the-scenes of the industry, this conversation with Michelle Grace Hunder is sure to illuminate and inspire.
Tune in to gain a new perspective on the visual side of music, hear the stories behind some of Australia's most iconic music photographs, and understand the role of cultural background in driving success in creative fields.
Here is my creative response to our conversation - a poem about migration, youth and surviving despite the odds: Amber Lights.
A M B E R L I G H T S
The boys at school and I
disappeared between classes
passed tobacco between our hands
like water at the well
smoke signals provided translation
between multi-coloured kids
wagging
in a vacant lot
We met there between family and school
felt most at home in the no-man's land
where the old
and the new worlds
couldn't find us
We even met there for fights
first kisses
swigs of alcohol on weekend nights
It's even where my friend Mark
told me about how our friend Omar
had died
and I found the truth
somewhere
between his explanations
Us kids grew up in that vacant lot
between being Greek
Lebanese
Vietnamese
and Australian
Knowing we were no longer
truly either one
but somehow both
Migrant kids are like rivers
always moving
but somehow
still enough
to be given a name
like Wog, Nip,
Fake - hyphen - Australian
So of course
when we learnt how to drive
we'd ride for hours
in the only place where we
felt like we belonged
somewhere between
points A
and B
between the green
and the red
I learnt to love the traffic lights
when they turned amber
because I realised
our teachers also
slowed down on their approach to us
and tapped their feet impatiently
for our answers
I've learnt to rest my head
in the elbows of my lovers
somewhere between their hearts
and their hands
like the moon
I keep my distance
because it's the only thing
that makes me look like
I'm standing still enough
to get close to
So now I write my best work in transit
in hotel rooms
where the linen is transparent
and the paintings by no-one
I write so the silences
between my words
can begin to make sense
and I exist
somewhere between
the surface of the page
and the tip of the pen
So I wrote this piece
like my life - in the margins
but the whole thing is the TITLE
at dawn and at dusk
somewhere between the ridges
the pinnacle
and the cusp
So when they tell me I'm not political enough
not Greek enough
not Australian enough
not a poet enough
not street enough
or not me...enough
I tell them I am a star
and I exist somewhere
between you seeing me shine
and realising
I'm already dead to you
I just let you witness
some of my burning
I am not a hyphen
I am a 100-metre dash
between my history
and your make believe
between White-Australia policies
and being saved by the colony
between having to drag my past, kicking,
back into my present
and then hide it behind my back
in your presence
So be careful when you place
that hyphen in my name
or I'll use it to cut your throat
just to show you how much
I love this country
but that I will always have some Sparta
in me
I may be the amber light
but amber is the only gemstone
that is a living, flowing liquid
permanently fossilised
that keeps itself warm
that is used as medicine
that smells sweet when it gets burnt
that in Roman times
was worth more than a slave
that was used to decorate Mycenaean tombs
that was named 'elektron' by the Greeks
a precursor to the English word for electricity
because they discovered
that if rubbed the wrong way
Amber will always create a spark
and amber is only ever increased
in value
when some of us are discovered
stuck in it
So of course us forgotten ones
the in-betweens
the most rare
would gather around the fires in that vacant lot
and tell stories
in our silences
of how our friend Omar
was sent flying
between the hood of a Holden
and the wall of a house
like a shooting star
I'm just glad
we got to witness
some of his burning
-Luka Lesson
Luka is a poet, rapper, Australian Poetry Slam Champion and Ancient History buff who can’t keep his hands off the classics. Luka has toured extensively throughout the world and is often bouncing ideas off Athenian columns and global politics as he finds his way, giving commentary on life and writing as a modern philosopher, performer and full-time poet.
Luka Lesson draws on his creative powers to either create new poetry inspired by conversations with guests from across the planet, or do a deep dive into his own catalogue of poetry and rap verses, using them as a sounding board for new conversations. His own Greek heritage and the histories of the people he speaks to often filter through, as well as his love of story, mythology, social change and visions for the future.